Follow Up : X

I wanted to follow up on our US Steel position we took as it broke resistance at $79. It currently sits at $87 and the Mar 85's (which I might have purchased at $2.15) were last traded for $5.70. Has anyone bailed out of this trade? Perhaps I should ask instead, who is still in this trade?

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Jeff - I got out yesterday when it went over $87 intraday before it pulled back. Two reasons - you had previously recommended watching it pretty carefully when it hit that level, and maybe setting a tight stop. I also needed to keep some profit, and decided to get out rather than be stopped out at a lower price. Maybe I got out too soon - but so far it looks OK - I sold my March 90's for 3.20

John M.

I am still holding Apr 80Call. BTW, I find an article is good for sharing with the group.

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I *might* have purchased the April $85's for $3.90. Last I checked they were $7.10 bid. Would i bail out here? no. I'm using the ATR and the luxury of time purchased to hit that big target. As the stock gets closer and closer to $100 i'm hopeful for this one.

I'm also hopeful for my VIP calls as it nears the $100 magic number also.

I bought the Mar 85 call at $2.26, and then doubled my position the next day.

Mar 85 call is currently at $5.30, I am still holding until the price action tells me to get out.

Cheers, Lejon


I'm going to go ahead and call the bottom for AAPL here. I know it breaks every superstition there is, but this is it. My reasoning:

1) Draw a trendline connecting the low in July with the low in December.

2) The past 2 days we've had an inverted hammer followed by a hammer RIGHT AT my trendline.

3) volume began picking up today.

4) Stochastics and MACD are oversold and looking like they're heading up.

You can wait for confirmation (which for Apple could be a 5 point burst overnight) or take a fairly low risk entry here.

AAPL to $100.

By the way, anyone take the BONT trade?

I bought the April 75 calls at $9 and they are now at $14.20 -- 58% pales compared to Jeff's standard but it's a hell of a good trade for me! If I had gone out of the money I would have traded fewer options to keep my total portfolio risk at 1%. I am still in the trade. I set my trailing stop loss at the after hours close minus the ATR and I haven't got stopped out yet. I noticed the ATR has started to fall -- is that an ominous sign? I still don't see any candle patterns to worry about -- others? Any one gambling on ICE tomorrow? I closed out 1/2 my options today at the close and decided to let the other 1/2 run through earnings -- hopefully I won't blow away all my X profits with this stupid decision.


I had Mar 85's but was stopped out today. After it reached 86, I tightened the stop. Sure wish I was still in the trade,but I can't complain about 65% return. great pick Jeff.


I too was stopped out on X just like Sarah with a 60% return. Can anyone comment on IFIN. It had a huge breakout yesterday and had another up day today. Not sure if this is a trade worth taking or would waiting for IFIN to return back down to some support to enter in. Thanks and by the way Jeff, GREAT WORK with the video!


Isn't IFIN being acquired? I think in those situations the stock is done moving.

i bought the march $75 for $7.50, it's at $12.90 now and i am still in. hope we're not being greedy.

I bought the March $75 @ $7.90 and haven't looked back. Let the winners run.

Thanks for all you do.

Joel R.

Take a look a POT. It broke out 7 or 8 days ago and today it retested both horizontal and diagonal support intraday.
The stock is sitting $11 away from its prior high right now, and it likes to move quickly. Today the stock rallied after a morning selloff with large volume.

Valerie W

I love POT. I've owned it as a stock in my retirement account for a few months now and done very nicely with it.
Jeff, I'm still in X and will stay there until it tells me to get out (just like BXP... still running up nicely although the options aren't moving.. can't figure that one out.) I got in late on it, but still have a decent profit.
Another one for everyone to look at is MAT. It just announced earings last week and has been trending up for quite a while.
Chris and Catherine.

The Today show ran a segment on the housing market possibly being at a bottom. When that type of media catches may be time to buy.

I bought the April 75 call on X at $10.00 and sold it about 10 minutes ago for $15.20 -- minutes before coming to Jeff's website where he advised letting winners run. And there I was thinking that my timing was great, LOL. Seriously, I am very happy with this trade that brought my account back to whole and very grateful to Jeff for bringing X to our attention.

Many thanks!
Helen A.

NUE may be breaking out today. The end of the day will tell,of course. I'm in now with a stop contingent upon NUE's last price below $63.75. The 20 day 30 minute chart shows this to be a good idea to me. So far, 65 is holding intraday as support and 64 was yesterday's area of support/consolidation looking at 30min candles and the low of today's big white 30 minute candle is 64. Also todays big white candle had good volume. Let's go NUE--be the next X!!!


Valerie W

X worked for me very well. Here is what I did:

Opened 4 XBQ (Feb 85) on 1/30 for $1.

Sold 2 on 1/31 @ 1.7
Sold 1 on 2/2 @ 3.1
Holding on to 1 now stop set to fire if <85.25 (attempting to let it run).

Thanks Jeff (and Brett since his quick comment with confirming analysis made me comfortable to jump in early)

I am still in! I bot MAR 07 80 call for 5.40. It is now at 9.20 and I have a stop in if the stock goes down to 86.44.

Thank you Jeff!

I'd like to not only thank Jeff (very much) but to everyone else who posts here.

And thanks Brett for your analysis of AAPL...I had been watching it, then forgot about it. I took the trade this morning when it was down 40 cents....

Lets go AAPL!


Bob R.

Anyone watching PBY, HTX, AGIX, or ANAD?

anybody else sick over PSA ?? the one trade i passed up b/c i thought it was too late to get in !!! DANG !! i keep checking and hoping for a consolidation, and everyday it just keeps going higher and higher.

I am keeping an eye on TRMB...waiting for a bull flag breakout...keep in mind that GRMN in the smae group has earningns coming up...

Bob R.

I'm a newbie, but I have to say all of your chat about pattern trading has my attention! Can anybody take a look at VNO and tell me what you think?


PS. Great Blog!

Finally AAPL decided to move up!
Yes, go AAPL!

VNO definitely looks like a ascending triangle breakout and a 52 week high breakout on super huge volume. the only thing i would be worried about is the move today shot it almost to the price target as per the size of the triangle(~ $10). but it may run with the 52 week high breakout right up to earnings which is feb 27th. volatility is high now so i would suggest buying some extra time and/or ITM just incase volatility drops. good luck

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